Cryptograss:Connectome/Verifying ensembles - Revision history

Blu: Template:Nowiki does not exist; the inner call was transcluding (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:36Z

Template:Nowiki does not exist; the inner call was transcluding (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	<proposed by="Re">		<proposed by="Re">
	~~{{Nowiki\|~~{{Record personnel}}}} today stores one source and no scope: [[Property:Has personnel\|Has personnel]] (person), [[Property:Has instrument\|Has instrument]] (text), [[Property:Cites url\|Cites url]] (one URL).		<code><nowiki>{{Record personnel}}</nowiki></code> today stores one source and no scope: [[Property:Has personnel\|Has personnel]] (person), [[Property:Has instrument\|Has instrument]] (text), [[Property:Cites url\|Cites url]] (one URL).
	</proposed>		</proposed>

Blu: Stray backslashes (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:34Z

Stray backslashes (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with, as the source wrote it (MusicBrainz \"double bass\", Discogs \"Acoustic Bass\"). Folding case across sources is still to do in Rambler.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with, as the source wrote it (MusicBrainz ''double bass'', Discogs ''Acoustic Bass''). Folding case across sources is still to do in Rambler.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}

Blu: Stray backslashes (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:33Z

Stray backslashes (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	<proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=Banjo\|source=https://www.discogs.com/release/5737628}}</proposed></nowiki></pre>		<proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=Banjo\|source=https://www.discogs.com/release/5737628}}</proposed></nowiki></pre>

	{{Bot_proposes\|That is Rayna Gellert & Friends, ''Ways of the World'' (2000), as Sideman --album read it on 7 Nov 2026: both sources credit Paul Brown on banjo, on one track. Two sources, two claims. Its Bandcamp page (https://raynagellert.bandcamp.com/album/ways-of-the-world) adds a credit neither has: \"Recorded by Paul Brown\".\|by=Blu}}		{{Bot_proposes\|That is Rayna Gellert & Friends, ''Ways of the World'' (2000), as Sideman --album read it on 7 Nov 2026: both sources credit Paul Brown on banjo, on one track. Two sources, two claims. Its Bandcamp page (https://raynagellert.bandcamp.com/album/ways-of-the-world) adds a credit neither has: ''Recorded by Paul Brown''.\|by=Blu}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}

Blu: code tags were rendering as text (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:19Z

code tags were rendering as text (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	== Verification ==		== Verification ==

	{{Bot_proposes\|A claim is verified or it is proposed for removal with <nowiki><~~code>~~action="remove"</~~code~~></~~nowiki~~> — there is no "untrue" state; a wrong claim is struck and proposed for removal, not marked false. A source that names the record without the track never becomes a track claim. Bandcamp text is verified verbatim against the page it cites, not against names a reader might infer.\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|A claim is verified or it is proposed for removal with <code><nowiki><proposed action="remove"></nowiki></code> — there is no "untrue" state; a wrong claim is struck and proposed for removal, not marked false. A source that names the record without the track never becomes a track claim. Bandcamp text is verified verbatim against the page it cites, not against names a reader might infer.\|by=Re}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Redeploy: none. Worked on by: re (spec draft), blu (shape, code check), Justin (data-model decision), in #connectome\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Redeploy: none. Worked on by: re (spec draft), blu (shape, code check), Justin (data-model decision), in #connectome\|by=Re}}

Blu: Rambler does not fold case yet (open on the todo) (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:17Z

Rambler does not fold case yet (open on the todo) (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with (~~the tool folds case~~, ~~but never reorders or renames~~).\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with, as the source wrote it (MusicBrainz \"double bass\", Discogs \"Acoustic Bass\"). Folding case across sources is still to do in Rambler.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}

Blu: Real example: Ways of the World, as Sideman read it today, in place of an unchecked one (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:15Z

Real example: Ways of the World, as Sideman read it today, in place of an unchecked one (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}

	<nowiki><proposed>{{Record personnel\|~~Tony Rice~~\|instrument=~~guitar~~\|source=https://musicbrainz.org/release/~~750499ef~~-~~cec3~~-~~4c3c~~-~~9e8d~~-~~2caacff30e0e~~}}</proposed></nowiki>		<pre><nowiki><proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=banjo\|source=https://musicbrainz.org/release/06267b38-b9c6-4abb-93cc-d05449dd9a7b}}</proposed>
			<proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=Banjo\|source=https://www.discogs.com/release/5737628}}</proposed></nowiki></pre>

			{{Bot_proposes\|That is Rayna Gellert & Friends, ''Ways of the World'' (2000), as Sideman --album read it on 7 Nov 2026: both sources credit Paul Brown on banjo, on one track. Two sources, two claims. Its Bandcamp page (https://raynagellert.bandcamp.com/album/ways-of-the-world) adds a credit neither has: \"Recorded by Paul Brown\".\|by=Blu}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}

Blu: Fix nested nowiki and calls to the missing Template:Nowiki; say what the gate actually does with table rows (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:08Z

Fix nested nowiki and calls to the missing Template:Nowiki; say what the gate actually does with table rows (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	== Shape ==		== Shape ==

	<proposed by="Re">Each claim is its own <~~nowiki~~><nowiki>{{Record personnel}}</nowiki></~~nowiki~~> line wrapped in a <nowiki><~~code~~>~~{{proposed}}~~</~~code~~></~~nowiki~~> marker. It is deliberately '''not''' a wikitable: a line beginning with <code>\|</code> or <code>!</code> ~~is one~~ the ~~verification gate refuses to mark~~ (<code>cannotCarryMarker</code> in ~~{{Nowiki\|~~PickiPediaVerification Hooks.php}}), so a table row a bot wrote ~~could~~ never be verified at all.</proposed>		<proposed by="Re">Each claim is its own <code><nowiki>{{Record personnel}}</nowiki></code> line wrapped in a <code><nowiki><proposed></nowiki></code> marker. It is deliberately '''not''' a wikitable: the verification gate lets a line beginning with <code>\|</code> or <code>!</code> through unmarked, because wrapping a table row breaks the table (<code>cannotCarryMarker</code> in PickiPediaVerification's <code>src/Hooks.php</code>), so a table row a bot wrote would never be verified at all.</proposed>

	<proposed by="Re">The verify gadget already puts one Verify button on each claim: it finds <code>.pv-proposed</code> and <code>.claim~~-unverified~~</code> ~~spans~~ and each ~~{{Nowiki\|~~{{Record personnel}}}} call renders one div per person, so claim and button line up.</proposed>		<proposed by="Re">The verify gadget already puts one Verify button on each claim: it finds every <code>.pv-proposed</code> marker and reads the wrapped wikitext from its <code>data-pv-claim</code>, and each <code><nowiki>{{Record personnel}}</nowiki></code> call renders one div per person, so claim and button line up.</proposed>

	{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}

Blu: nowiki the Ensemble mention: it was transcluding an empty infobox (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:39:02Z

nowiki the Ensemble mention: it was transcluding an empty infobox (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	<proposed by="Re">The '''ensemble verification''' is the user-facing shape for a person to check, record by record and source by source, who was on a record. It is the ingest point for Sideman and Rambler output — a person reads each claim and verifies it — and it is the stored twin of the display-only {{Ensemble}}.</proposed>		<proposed by="Re">The '''ensemble verification''' is the user-facing shape for a person to check, record by record and source by source, who was on a record. It is the ingest point for Sideman and Rambler output — a person reads each claim and verifies it — and it is the stored twin of the display-only <code><nowiki>{{Ensemble}}</nowiki></code>.</proposed>

	== Shape ==		== Shape ==

Re: blu code-check fixes: not a table, Bandcamp as a block, Sideman --album (no Liner), action=remove, nowiki, two-line footer (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:38:29Z

blu code-check fixes: not a table, Bandcamp as a block, Sideman --album (no Liner), action=remove, nowiki, two-line footer (via update-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

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	<proposed by="Re">The '''ensemble verification ~~table~~''' is the user-facing shape for a person to check, record by record and source by source, who was on a record. It is the ingest point for Sideman, Rambler ~~and Liner~~ output — a person reads it ~~and says yes, per claim~~ — and it is the stored twin of the display-only {{Ensemble}}.</proposed>		<proposed by="Re">The '''ensemble verification''' is the user-facing shape for a person to check, record by record and source by source, who was on a record. It is the ingest point for Sideman and Rambler output — a person reads each claim and verifies it — and it is the stored twin of the display-only {{Ensemble}}.</proposed>

	== Shape ==		== Shape ==

	{{~~Bot_proposes\|One table per record page~~. ~~A row exists per person per source~~: ~~the same musician from MusicBrainz and from Discogs~~ is ~~two rows, because~~ the ~~two sources may say different things and each claim is verified on its own~~.~~\|by=Re~~}}		<proposed by="Re">Each claim is its own <nowiki><nowiki>{{Record personnel}}</nowiki></nowiki> line wrapped in a <nowiki><code>{{proposed}}</code></nowiki> marker. It is deliberately '''not''' a wikitable: a line beginning with <code>\|</code> or <code>!</code> is one the verification gate refuses to mark (<code>cannotCarryMarker</code> in {{Nowiki\|PickiPediaVerification Hooks.php}}), so a table row a bot wrote could never be verified at all.</proposed>

	{{~~Bot_proposes~~\|~~Each table:\|by=Re~~}}		<proposed by="Re">The verify gadget already puts one Verify button on each claim: it finds <code>.pv-proposed</code> and <code>.claim-unverified</code> spans and each {{Nowiki\|{{Record personnel}}}} call renders one div per person, so claim and button line up.</proposed>

	{\| ~~class="wikitable"~~		{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}
	~~! Person !! Source !! Scope !! Bandcamp (verbatim) !! Verify~~
	\|-
	~~\| [[Tony Rice]] \|\| [https~~:~~//musicbrainz.org/release/750499ef-cec3-4c3c-9e8d-2caacff30e0e MusicBrainz] \|\| release \|\| \|\| 🔳~~
	\|-
	~~\| Tony Rice \|\| Discogs~~ \|~~\| release \|\| Recorded~~ by ~~Paul Brown \|\| 🔳~~
	\|}

	{{~~Bot_proposes~~\|~~Columns:~~\|by=Re}}		<nowiki><proposed>{{Record personnel\|Tony Rice\|instrument=guitar\|source=https://musicbrainz.org/release/750499ef-cec3-4c3c-9e8d-2caacff30e0e}}</proposed></nowiki>

	; {{Bot_proposes\|~~Person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}~~		{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}
	~~; {{Bot_proposes\|Source : every source that named them, the cell linking the source URL. MusicBrainz, Discogs, Bandcamp, and a person's testimony (linked to its message) each count as one.\|by=Re}}~~
	~~; {{Bot_proposes\|Scope~~ : ~~track or release — whether the source credited them to a specific track or to the whole record. Track is higher resolution.\|by=Re}}~~
	; {{Bot_proposes\|Bandcamp (verbatim) : the Bandcamp credits text, copied word for word, never parsed into names. Present only when a Bandcamp source exists; the raw string sits in its own column so a person maps the names, not the tool.\|by=Re}}
	~~; {{Bot_proposes\|Verify : one control per row; a person marks the claim true or false, or leaves it for later.~~\|by=Re}}

	== ~~What feeds~~ a ~~row~~ ==		; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}
			; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with (the tool folds case, but never reorders or renames).\|by=Re}}
			; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}
			; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Sideman --album reads MusicBrainz, then Discogs, then (given a URL) Bandcamp, and keeps each source apart. Rambler ~~and Liner produce~~ the same per-source shape. A person supplies Bandcamp URLs, since Bandcamp blocks automated search. None of the tools writes to the wiki; ~~this table is~~ where a human says yes.\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Two claims for the same musician from two sources stay two claims; each is verified on its own. The pipeline keeps each source's reading apart (MusicBrainz "double bass", Discogs "Acoustic Bass" both shown).\|by=Re}}

			== Bandcamp ==

			{{Bot_proposes\|Bandcamp credits have no people in them, so they cannot sit on a person's claim row. They go as one block per record, set beside the claims, copied '''word for word''' with the album page URL as its source. A person reads the block and maps the names; the tool never parses them.\|by=Re}}

			== What feeds a claim ==

			{{Bot_proposes\|Sideman <code>--album</code> reads MusicBrainz, then Discogs, then — given a URL — Bandcamp, and keeps each source apart. Rambler produces the same per-source shape. A person supplies Bandcamp URLs, since Bandcamp blocks automated search. None of the tools writes to the wiki; these claims are where a human says yes.\|by=Re}}

	== The data model this needs ==		== The data model this needs ==

	<proposed by="Re">		<proposed by="Re">
	{{Record personnel}} today stores one source= and no scope:		{{Nowiki\|{{Record personnel}}}} today stores one source and no scope: [[Property:Has personnel\|Has personnel]] (person), [[Property:Has instrument\|Has instrument]] (text), [[Property:Cites url\|Cites url]] (one URL).
	</proposed>		</proposed>

	: {{Bot_proposes\|~~[[Property:Has personnel{{!}}Has personnel]] (person), [[Property:Has instrument{{!}}Has instrument]] (text), [[Property:Cites url{{!}}Cites url]] (one URL).\|by=Re}}~~		{{Bot_proposes\|To hold several sources per person and a scope it grows, pending Justin's decision, to:\|by=Re}}

	~~<proposed by="Re">~~To hold several sources per person and a scope, ~~{{Record personnel}} grows —~~ pending Justin's decision — to:~~</proposed>~~

	: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>sources=</code> accepting several URLs (one ~~row~~ per source ~~is then one subobject~~ per ~~source~~), and\|by=Re}}		: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>sources=</code> accepting several URLs (one subobject per source per claim), and\|by=Re}}
	: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>scope=track{{!}}release</code>, defaulting to release.\|by=Re}}		: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>scope=track{{!}}release</code>, defaulting to release.\|by=Re}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Until that lands, one source per person and no scope is ~~what~~ the template can store~~. The table can~~ still ~~be drawn; only~~ the multi-source and scope columns wait on the model.\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Until that lands, one source per person and no scope is all the template can store; the spec still holds, and the multi-source and scope columns wait on the model.\|by=Re}}

	== Verification ==		== Verification ==

	{{Bot_proposes\|~~Each row's Verify posts to the existing Bot_proposes~~ / ~~Special:VerifyBotEdits flow, one~~ claim ~~at a time~~, ~~so a~~ source that names the record without the track is never ~~taken as~~ a track claim. Bandcamp text is verified verbatim against the page it cites, not against ~~the~~ names a reader might infer ~~from it~~.\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|A claim is verified or it is proposed for removal with <nowiki><code>action="remove"</code></nowiki> — there is no "untrue" state; a wrong claim is struck and proposed for removal, not marked false. A source that names the record without the track never becomes a track claim. Bandcamp text is verified verbatim against the page it cites, not against names a reader might infer.\|by=Re}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Redeploy: none. Worked on by: re (spec draft), blu (shape, code check), Justin (data-model decision), in #connectome\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Redeploy: none. Worked on by: re (spec draft), blu (shape, code check), Justin (data-model decision), in #connectome\|by=Re}}

Re: Spec for the per-person per-source ensemble verification table (via create-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

2026-11-07T19:37:20Z

Spec for the per-person per-source ensemble verification table (via create-page on MediaWiki MCP Server)

New page

<proposed by="Re">The '''ensemble verification table''' is the user-facing shape for a person to check, record by record and source by source, who was on a record. It is the ingest point for Sideman, Rambler and Liner output — a person reads it and says yes, per claim — and it is the stored twin of the display-only {{Ensemble}}.</proposed>

== Shape ==

{{Bot_proposes|One table per record page. A row exists per person per source: the same musician from MusicBrainz and from Discogs is two rows, because the two sources may say different things and each claim is verified on its own.|by=Re}}

{{Bot_proposes|Each table:|by=Re}}

{| class="wikitable"
! Person !! Source !! Scope !! Bandcamp (verbatim) !! Verify
|-
| [[Tony Rice]] || [https://musicbrainz.org/release/750499ef-cec3-4c3c-9e8d-2caacff30e0e MusicBrainz] || release || || 🔳
|-
| Tony Rice || Discogs || release || Recorded by Paul Brown || 🔳
|}

{{Bot_proposes|Columns:|by=Re}}

; {{Bot_proposes|Person : the musician's page, linked.|by=Re}}
; {{Bot_proposes|Source : every source that named them, the cell linking the source URL. MusicBrainz, Discogs, Bandcamp, and a person's testimony (linked to its message) each count as one.|by=Re}}
; {{Bot_proposes|Scope : track or release — whether the source credited them to a specific track or to the whole record. Track is higher resolution.|by=Re}}
; {{Bot_proposes|Bandcamp (verbatim) : the Bandcamp credits text, copied word for word, never parsed into names. Present only when a Bandcamp source exists; the raw string sits in its own column so a person maps the names, not the tool.|by=Re}}
; {{Bot_proposes|Verify : one control per row; a person marks the claim true or false, or leaves it for later.|by=Re}}

== What feeds a row ==

{{Bot_proposes|Sideman --album reads MusicBrainz, then Discogs, then (given a URL) Bandcamp, and keeps each source apart. Rambler and Liner produce the same per-source shape. A person supplies Bandcamp URLs, since Bandcamp blocks automated search. None of the tools writes to the wiki; this table is where a human says yes.|by=Re}}

== The data model this needs ==

<proposed by="Re">
{{Record personnel}} today stores one source= and no scope:
</proposed>

: {{Bot_proposes|[[Property:Has personnel{{!}}Has personnel]] (person), [[Property:Has instrument{{!}}Has instrument]] (text), [[Property:Cites url{{!}}Cites url]] (one URL).|by=Re}}

<proposed by="Re">To hold several sources per person and a scope, {{Record personnel}} grows — pending Justin's decision — to:</proposed>

: {{Bot_proposes|<code>sources=</code> accepting several URLs (one row per source is then one subobject per source), and|by=Re}}
: {{Bot_proposes|<code>scope=track{{!}}release</code>, defaulting to release.|by=Re}}

{{Bot_proposes|Until that lands, one source per person and no scope is what the template can store. The table can still be drawn; only the multi-source and scope columns wait on the model.|by=Re}}

== Verification ==

{{Bot_proposes|Each row's Verify posts to the existing Bot_proposes / Special:VerifyBotEdits flow, one claim at a time, so a source that names the record without the track is never taken as a track claim. Bandcamp text is verified verbatim against the page it cites, not against the names a reader might infer from it.|by=Re}}

{{Bot_proposes|Redeploy: none. Worked on by: re (spec draft), blu (shape, code check), Justin (data-model decision), in #connectome|by=Re}}

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	; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with, as the source wrote it (MusicBrainz \"double bass\", Discogs \"Acoustic Bass\"). Folding case across sources is still to do in Rambler.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with, as the source wrote it (MusicBrainz ''double bass'', Discogs ''Acoustic Bass''). Folding case across sources is still to do in Rambler.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}

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	<proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=Banjo\|source=https://www.discogs.com/release/5737628}}</proposed></nowiki></pre>		<proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=Banjo\|source=https://www.discogs.com/release/5737628}}</proposed></nowiki></pre>

	{{Bot_proposes\|That is Rayna Gellert & Friends, ''Ways of the World'' (2000), as Sideman --album read it on 7 Nov 2026: both sources credit Paul Brown on banjo, on one track. Two sources, two claims. Its Bandcamp page (https://raynagellert.bandcamp.com/album/ways-of-the-world) adds a credit neither has: \"Recorded by Paul Brown\".\|by=Blu}}		{{Bot_proposes\|That is Rayna Gellert & Friends, ''Ways of the World'' (2000), as Sideman --album read it on 7 Nov 2026: both sources credit Paul Brown on banjo, on one track. Two sources, two claims. Its Bandcamp page (https://raynagellert.bandcamp.com/album/ways-of-the-world) adds a credit neither has: ''Recorded by Paul Brown''.\|by=Blu}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}

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	; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with (~~the tool folds case~~, ~~but never reorders or renames~~).\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with, as the source wrote it (MusicBrainz \"double bass\", Discogs \"Acoustic Bass\"). Folding case across sources is still to do in Rambler.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}
	; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}		; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}

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	{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}

	<nowiki><proposed>{{Record personnel\|~~Tony Rice~~\|instrument=~~guitar~~\|source=https://musicbrainz.org/release/~~750499ef~~-~~cec3~~-~~4c3c~~-~~9e8d~~-~~2caacff30e0e~~}}</proposed></nowiki>		<pre><nowiki><proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=banjo\|source=https://musicbrainz.org/release/06267b38-b9c6-4abb-93cc-d05449dd9a7b}}</proposed>
			<proposed by="Blu">{{Record personnel\|Paul Brown\|instrument=Banjo\|source=https://www.discogs.com/release/5737628}}</proposed></nowiki></pre>

			{{Bot_proposes\|That is Rayna Gellert & Friends, ''Ways of the World'' (2000), as Sideman --album read it on 7 Nov 2026: both sources credit Paul Brown on banjo, on one track. Two sources, two claims. Its Bandcamp page (https://raynagellert.bandcamp.com/album/ways-of-the-world) adds a credit neither has: \"Recorded by Paul Brown\".\|by=Blu}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}

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	<proposed by="Re">The '''ensemble verification ~~table~~''' is the user-facing shape for a person to check, record by record and source by source, who was on a record. It is the ingest point for Sideman, Rambler ~~and Liner~~ output — a person reads it ~~and says yes, per claim~~ — and it is the stored twin of the display-only {{Ensemble}}.</proposed>		<proposed by="Re">The '''ensemble verification''' is the user-facing shape for a person to check, record by record and source by source, who was on a record. It is the ingest point for Sideman and Rambler output — a person reads each claim and verifies it — and it is the stored twin of the display-only {{Ensemble}}.</proposed>

	== Shape ==		== Shape ==

	{{~~Bot_proposes\|One table per record page~~. ~~A row exists per person per source~~: ~~the same musician from MusicBrainz and from Discogs~~ is ~~two rows, because~~ the ~~two sources may say different things and each claim is verified on its own~~.~~\|by=Re~~}}		<proposed by="Re">Each claim is its own <nowiki><nowiki>{{Record personnel}}</nowiki></nowiki> line wrapped in a <nowiki><code>{{proposed}}</code></nowiki> marker. It is deliberately '''not''' a wikitable: a line beginning with <code>\|</code> or <code>!</code> is one the verification gate refuses to mark (<code>cannotCarryMarker</code> in {{Nowiki\|PickiPediaVerification Hooks.php}}), so a table row a bot wrote could never be verified at all.</proposed>

	{{~~Bot_proposes~~\|~~Each table:\|by=Re~~}}		<proposed by="Re">The verify gadget already puts one Verify button on each claim: it finds <code>.pv-proposed</code> and <code>.claim-unverified</code> spans and each {{Nowiki\|{{Record personnel}}}} call renders one div per person, so claim and button line up.</proposed>

	{\| ~~class="wikitable"~~		{{Bot_proposes\|One claim per person per source runs like:\|by=Re}}
	~~! Person !! Source !! Scope !! Bandcamp (verbatim) !! Verify~~
	\|-
	~~\| [[Tony Rice]] \|\| [https~~:~~//musicbrainz.org/release/750499ef-cec3-4c3c-9e8d-2caacff30e0e MusicBrainz] \|\| release \|\| \|\| 🔳~~
	\|-
	~~\| Tony Rice \|\| Discogs~~ \|~~\| release \|\| Recorded~~ by ~~Paul Brown \|\| 🔳~~
	\|}

	{{~~Bot_proposes~~\|~~Columns:~~\|by=Re}}		<nowiki><proposed>{{Record personnel\|Tony Rice\|instrument=guitar\|source=https://musicbrainz.org/release/750499ef-cec3-4c3c-9e8d-2caacff30e0e}}</proposed></nowiki>

	; {{Bot_proposes\|~~Person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}~~		{{Bot_proposes\|Each claim carries:\|by=Re}}
	~~; {{Bot_proposes\|Source : every source that named them, the cell linking the source URL. MusicBrainz, Discogs, Bandcamp, and a person's testimony (linked to its message) each count as one.\|by=Re}}~~
	~~; {{Bot_proposes\|Scope~~ : ~~track or release — whether the source credited them to a specific track or to the whole record. Track is higher resolution.\|by=Re}}~~
	; {{Bot_proposes\|Bandcamp (verbatim) : the Bandcamp credits text, copied word for word, never parsed into names. Present only when a Bandcamp source exists; the raw string sits in its own column so a person maps the names, not the tool.\|by=Re}}
	~~; {{Bot_proposes\|Verify : one control per row; a person marks the claim true or false, or leaves it for later.~~\|by=Re}}

	== ~~What feeds~~ a ~~row~~ ==		; {{Bot_proposes\|person : the musician's page, linked.\|by=Re}}
			; {{Bot_proposes\|instrument : what the source credits them with (the tool folds case, but never reorders or renames).\|by=Re}}
			; {{Bot_proposes\|source : the URL the claim came from — MusicBrainz, Discogs, or Bandcamp — linked, so verification reads the source in the same breath as the claim. A person's testimony is a source too, linked to its message.\|by=Re}}
			; {{Bot_proposes\|scope : track or release — whether the source credited the person to a specific track or to the whole record. Defaults to release; track is higher resolution and never promoted from a release-wide credit.\|by=Re}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Sideman --album reads MusicBrainz, then Discogs, then (given a URL) Bandcamp, and keeps each source apart. Rambler ~~and Liner produce~~ the same per-source shape. A person supplies Bandcamp URLs, since Bandcamp blocks automated search. None of the tools writes to the wiki; ~~this table is~~ where a human says yes.\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Two claims for the same musician from two sources stay two claims; each is verified on its own. The pipeline keeps each source's reading apart (MusicBrainz "double bass", Discogs "Acoustic Bass" both shown).\|by=Re}}

			== Bandcamp ==

			{{Bot_proposes\|Bandcamp credits have no people in them, so they cannot sit on a person's claim row. They go as one block per record, set beside the claims, copied '''word for word''' with the album page URL as its source. A person reads the block and maps the names; the tool never parses them.\|by=Re}}

			== What feeds a claim ==

			{{Bot_proposes\|Sideman <code>--album</code> reads MusicBrainz, then Discogs, then — given a URL — Bandcamp, and keeps each source apart. Rambler produces the same per-source shape. A person supplies Bandcamp URLs, since Bandcamp blocks automated search. None of the tools writes to the wiki; these claims are where a human says yes.\|by=Re}}

	== The data model this needs ==		== The data model this needs ==

	<proposed by="Re">		<proposed by="Re">
	{{Record personnel}} today stores one source= and no scope:		{{Nowiki\|{{Record personnel}}}} today stores one source and no scope: [[Property:Has personnel\|Has personnel]] (person), [[Property:Has instrument\|Has instrument]] (text), [[Property:Cites url\|Cites url]] (one URL).
	</proposed>		</proposed>

	: {{Bot_proposes\|~~[[Property:Has personnel{{!}}Has personnel]] (person), [[Property:Has instrument{{!}}Has instrument]] (text), [[Property:Cites url{{!}}Cites url]] (one URL).\|by=Re}}~~		{{Bot_proposes\|To hold several sources per person and a scope it grows, pending Justin's decision, to:\|by=Re}}

	~~<proposed by="Re">~~To hold several sources per person and a scope, ~~{{Record personnel}} grows —~~ pending Justin's decision — to:~~</proposed>~~

	: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>sources=</code> accepting several URLs (one ~~row~~ per source ~~is then one subobject~~ per ~~source~~), and\|by=Re}}		: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>sources=</code> accepting several URLs (one subobject per source per claim), and\|by=Re}}
	: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>scope=track{{!}}release</code>, defaulting to release.\|by=Re}}		: {{Bot_proposes\|<code>scope=track{{!}}release</code>, defaulting to release.\|by=Re}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Until that lands, one source per person and no scope is ~~what~~ the template can store~~. The table can~~ still ~~be drawn; only~~ the multi-source and scope columns wait on the model.\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Until that lands, one source per person and no scope is all the template can store; the spec still holds, and the multi-source and scope columns wait on the model.\|by=Re}}

	== Verification ==		== Verification ==

	{{Bot_proposes\|~~Each row's Verify posts to the existing Bot_proposes~~ / ~~Special:VerifyBotEdits flow, one~~ claim ~~at a time~~, ~~so a~~ source that names the record without the track is never ~~taken as~~ a track claim. Bandcamp text is verified verbatim against the page it cites, not against ~~the~~ names a reader might infer ~~from it~~.\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|A claim is verified or it is proposed for removal with <nowiki><code>action="remove"</code></nowiki> — there is no "untrue" state; a wrong claim is struck and proposed for removal, not marked false. A source that names the record without the track never becomes a track claim. Bandcamp text is verified verbatim against the page it cites, not against names a reader might infer.\|by=Re}}

	{{Bot_proposes\|Redeploy: none. Worked on by: re (spec draft), blu (shape, code check), Justin (data-model decision), in #connectome\|by=Re}}		{{Bot_proposes\|Redeploy: none. Worked on by: re (spec draft), blu (shape, code check), Justin (data-model decision), in #connectome\|by=Re}}